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		<title>By: Supot and Proud</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Supot and Proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to learn more about Filipinos and Intactivism or what we may call supotismo, visit these sites

http://supotandproud.blogspot.com
http://unicircumcisedfilipinos.blogspot.com
http://uncutnews1.blogspot.cm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to learn more about Filipinos and Intactivism or what we may call supotismo, visit these sites</p>
<p><a href="http://supotandproud.blogspot.com">http://supotandproud.blogspot.com</a><br />
<a href="http://unicircumcisedfilipinos.blogspot.com">http://unicircumcisedfilipinos.blogspot.com</a><br />
<a href="http://uncutnews1.blogspot.cm">http://uncutnews1.blogspot.cm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Engr. Dr.</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Engr. Dr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Popes should be careful to study the proclamations of their predecessors.  That Pius X clearly contradicts what that Eugene IV said.  Should Catholics believe in Eugene IV and not get circumcised, believing that if they do so they will be damned?  Should Catholics believe in Pope Pius X and the Catechism, and get themselves circumcised without risk of damnation by believing that it is beneficial for them medically?
Now I wonder who is more infallible* among the two?

*A Roman Catholic doctrine stating that a Pope can never be wrong whenever he proclaims doctrines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Popes should be careful to study the proclamations of their predecessors.  That Pius X clearly contradicts what that Eugene IV said.  Should Catholics believe in Eugene IV and not get circumcised, believing that if they do so they will be damned?  Should Catholics believe in Pope Pius X and the Catechism, and get themselves circumcised without risk of damnation by believing that it is beneficial for them medically?<br />
Now I wonder who is more infallible* among the two?</p>
<p>*A Roman Catholic doctrine stating that a Pope can never be wrong whenever he proclaims doctrines.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Lyndon</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Catholic Church has actually taken a stand against circumcision:

Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practise circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation.&quot;
Pope Eugene IV 1442 (Bull of Union with the Copts)

&quot;From a moral point of view, circumcision is permissible if, in accordance with therapeutic principles, it prevents a disease that cannot be countered in any other way.&quot;  Pope Pius X, 1952

Circumcision is also arguably against the Catechism:

&quot;Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Catholic Church has actually taken a stand against circumcision:</p>
<p>Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practise circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation.&#8221;<br />
Pope Eugene IV 1442 (Bull of Union with the Copts)</p>
<p>&#8220;From a moral point of view, circumcision is permissible if, in accordance with therapeutic principles, it prevents a disease that cannot be countered in any other way.&#8221;  Pope Pius X, 1952</p>
<p>Circumcision is also arguably against the Catechism:</p>
<p>&#8220;Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Engr. Dr.</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Engr. Dr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only uncut Pinoy Big Brother resident, Alex Anselmuccio, gets the cut.  He might have agreed to have it done because of peer pressure, or he might even have thought that he could benefit from it medically.  Incidentally, he is also half Italian, and he also grew up in Italy.  Whatever the case, his circumcision makes him a true blue Filipino.

Check out this link:
http://www.mukamo.com/pbb-teen-alex-anselmuccio-undergoes-circumcision/

To think he has to have it done in the middle of the show?!!  Doesn&#039;t he know what a pain the recuperation period is?  What bravery, or stupidity?  If it&#039;s any consolation, I think sympathy for him would actually make him look better for viewers.  Expect his fan base to rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only uncut Pinoy Big Brother resident, Alex Anselmuccio, gets the cut.  He might have agreed to have it done because of peer pressure, or he might even have thought that he could benefit from it medically.  Incidentally, he is also half Italian, and he also grew up in Italy.  Whatever the case, his circumcision makes him a true blue Filipino.</p>
<p>Check out this link:<br />
<a href="http://www.mukamo.com/pbb-teen-alex-anselmuccio-undergoes-circumcision/">http://www.mukamo.com/pbb-teen-alex-anselmuccio-undergoes-circumcision/</a></p>
<p>To think he has to have it done in the middle of the show?!!  Doesn&#8217;t he know what a pain the recuperation period is?  What bravery, or stupidity?  If it&#8217;s any consolation, I think sympathy for him would actually make him look better for viewers.  Expect his fan base to rise.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m circumcised and active in the anti-circumcision club.  But, really, it&#039;s about being pro-individual-consent rather than anti-circumcision.  I would never have chosen it for myself.  The potential healthy benefits, like HIV prevention, are benefits I don&#039;t value.  No parent can know what their child will prefer, so unless it&#039;s medically necessary, there is no justification to circumcise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m circumcised and active in the anti-circumcision club.  But, really, it&#8217;s about being pro-individual-consent rather than anti-circumcision.  I would never have chosen it for myself.  The potential healthy benefits, like HIV prevention, are benefits I don&#8217;t value.  No parent can know what their child will prefer, so unless it&#8217;s medically necessary, there is no justification to circumcise.</p>
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		<title>By: Engr. Dr.</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Engr. Dr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have valid points, Hugh7.  Btw, it&#039;s the first time I&#039;ve read such passion against circumcision in a blog post.  I won&#039;t be assisting another circumcision the same way again.
Forgive me for this question, but please don&#039;t answer if you do not want to.  Are the members of anti-circumcision club uncircumcised, or are they circumcised?
I doubt the motives of uncircumcised protesters, but I would understand if the protesters are circumcised.  It must mean that they don&#039;t want others to suffer the same fate as they did.
Btw, nobody seems to be complaining around here except for 2 or 3 bloggers.  So Joel, I don&#039;t think the culture of circumcision is going to stop anytime soon around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have valid points, Hugh7.  Btw, it&#8217;s the first time I&#8217;ve read such passion against circumcision in a blog post.  I won&#8217;t be assisting another circumcision the same way again.<br />
Forgive me for this question, but please don&#8217;t answer if you do not want to.  Are the members of anti-circumcision club uncircumcised, or are they circumcised?<br />
I doubt the motives of uncircumcised protesters, but I would understand if the protesters are circumcised.  It must mean that they don&#8217;t want others to suffer the same fate as they did.<br />
Btw, nobody seems to be complaining around here except for 2 or 3 bloggers.  So Joel, I don&#8217;t think the culture of circumcision is going to stop anytime soon around here.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh7</title>
		<link>http://muragdoctor.com/2008/04/02/operation-circumzation/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as for health workers using Filipino boys as guinea pigs for their surgery practice, where are your medical ethics?

Circumcision is itself &quot;risky surgery&quot;, with several boys dying from it in the developed world each year (that we know of) and scores in Africa (nearly 40 a year 200-5 in Eastern Cape Province alone), as well as untold lesser risks and harms, ranging from ugly scarring, through painful erections to loss of the penis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as for health workers using Filipino boys as guinea pigs for their surgery practice, where are your medical ethics?</p>
<p>Circumcision is itself &#8220;risky surgery&#8221;, with several boys dying from it in the developed world each year (that we know of) and scores in Africa (nearly 40 a year 200-5 in Eastern Cape Province alone), as well as untold lesser risks and harms, ranging from ugly scarring, through painful erections to loss of the penis.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh7</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Circumcision was near universal in New Zealand in the 1950s, now it&#039;s almost unknown - with no epidemic of foreskin related diseases, so customs CAN change.

One thing that keeps it going in the Philippines (and the US) is the myth that it&#039;s universal, world-wide. In fact 3/4 of the world&#039;s men - including many you admire, such as most soccer stars - are supót.

Your claim that a dorsal slit provides &quot;the benefits of circumcision i.e. lower penile cancer rate, lower UTI rate, and lower AIDS acquisition rate&quot; is unsupported by any evidence and probably false, either because the dorsal slit is not enough to confer those  benefits or because they are bogus. The risk of UTI is greatest in the first year, and greater for girls. Penile cancer is rarer than male breast cancer, and in six African countries, the circumcised men have a higher HIV rate than the non-circumcised.

And whether a dorsal slit preserves &quot;the main benefit of uncircumcision i.e. intact nerve endings which translates to better uhhhm sensation&quot; could be true, but we don&#039;t know nearly enough about the nerve pathways to say just what a dorsal slit severs. It certainly disrupts the rolling action, which provides uhhhm sensation of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Circumcision was near universal in New Zealand in the 1950s, now it&#8217;s almost unknown &#8211; with no epidemic of foreskin related diseases, so customs CAN change.</p>
<p>One thing that keeps it going in the Philippines (and the US) is the myth that it&#8217;s universal, world-wide. In fact 3/4 of the world&#8217;s men &#8211; including many you admire, such as most soccer stars &#8211; are supót.</p>
<p>Your claim that a dorsal slit provides &#8220;the benefits of circumcision i.e. lower penile cancer rate, lower UTI rate, and lower AIDS acquisition rate&#8221; is unsupported by any evidence and probably false, either because the dorsal slit is not enough to confer those  benefits or because they are bogus. The risk of UTI is greatest in the first year, and greater for girls. Penile cancer is rarer than male breast cancer, and in six African countries, the circumcised men have a higher HIV rate than the non-circumcised.</p>
<p>And whether a dorsal slit preserves &#8220;the main benefit of uncircumcision i.e. intact nerve endings which translates to better uhhhm sensation&#8221; could be true, but we don&#8217;t know nearly enough about the nerve pathways to say just what a dorsal slit severs. It certainly disrupts the rolling action, which provides uhhhm sensation of its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>none of those are good reasons to have someone circumcised.

they should be 18 before they themselves choose to have it done.

and if you gave them that choice, i bet many would never do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>none of those are good reasons to have someone circumcised.</p>
<p>they should be 18 before they themselves choose to have it done.</p>
<p>and if you gave them that choice, i bet many would never do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Engr. Dr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Engr. Dr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know any Filipino who went under the knife for religious reasons.
Filipinos experience it nominally for medical reasons, but in reality it is to fulfill the purpose of social acceptance.  Stopping this practice is tantamount to changing their culture.  It&#039;s not as easy at it sounds.


Btw, that website took the verses out of context.  Paul and the other apostles vigorously opposed circumcision of Gentile converts to Christianity because this would water down the new faith.
Paul reasoned that Christ&#039;s works were sufficient for pleasing God.  Jews or Gentiles can never please God by being good.  The Jews already had the Law which was the template for everything that pleases God yet they failed.  Paul said that Gentile believers (those who now put their hope in Christ) should not place the yoke of the Law upon themselves because it was already proven through history that by following the Law nobody can be saved.  The Law was just too harsh.
Now at that time certain false teachers told the Gentiles to be circumcised i.e. become Jews and be under the yoke of the Law.  Such an act would have been a tantamount message saying that Christ&#039;s sacrifice was insufficient to forgive sin!  Paul did not agree with this.  Hence, his violent opposition to  Gentile circumcision.
Circumcision without the religious connotations is not sin.  It&#039;s just a physical act.  It only becomes a sin when a spiritual aspect is added i.e when it becomes a requirement for salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know any Filipino who went under the knife for religious reasons.<br />
Filipinos experience it nominally for medical reasons, but in reality it is to fulfill the purpose of social acceptance.  Stopping this practice is tantamount to changing their culture.  It&#8217;s not as easy at it sounds.</p>
<p>Btw, that website took the verses out of context.  Paul and the other apostles vigorously opposed circumcision of Gentile converts to Christianity because this would water down the new faith.<br />
Paul reasoned that Christ&#8217;s works were sufficient for pleasing God.  Jews or Gentiles can never please God by being good.  The Jews already had the Law which was the template for everything that pleases God yet they failed.  Paul said that Gentile believers (those who now put their hope in Christ) should not place the yoke of the Law upon themselves because it was already proven through history that by following the Law nobody can be saved.  The Law was just too harsh.<br />
Now at that time certain false teachers told the Gentiles to be circumcised i.e. become Jews and be under the yoke of the Law.  Such an act would have been a tantamount message saying that Christ&#8217;s sacrifice was insufficient to forgive sin!  Paul did not agree with this.  Hence, his violent opposition to  Gentile circumcision.<br />
Circumcision without the religious connotations is not sin.  It&#8217;s just a physical act.  It only becomes a sin when a spiritual aspect is added i.e when it becomes a requirement for salvation.</p>
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